You are viewing [info]moirarogers's journal

 
 
29 June 2011 @ 06:42 pm
Plagiarism & other rage-inducing things.  

Cross-posted from our blog, because we keep crashing the server.

Plagiarism & other rage-inducing things.

Last night, a reader who’d been searching for something at Amazon emailed us. She’d been looking for more Last Call books after having read the first two (kind of– getting to that in a minute). When she found them in the Kindle store, she realized they had a different name attached than the one with which she was familiar.

That’s right. Someone named Angela Priest has been posting “The Supernatural Bar of Last Calls Series” and other books on various sites like Smashwords, Scribd and Bookrix, (edit: Wattpad as well, who took down our books but left her account) places meant for people to share their own work with others.

Let’s observe some similarities between the title Hurricane that she’s posted and our book that was released from Changeling Press in 2008.

The blurb she posted:

Artist and witch Flora Logger hasn’t had an orgasm since a bitter ex cursed her five years ago. Whenever she gets aroused, bad things happen. Now, she’s come to Last Call in hopes of gaining an audience with — and help from — its owner, a powerful wizard named Bernard Delacruz. If anyone can break the curse, it’s him. And if he won’t come downstairs to meet with her, she’ll bump and grind until his bar caves in from the backlash. Hurricane: Contents under magical pressure. Experience required. Bernard doesn’t get involved with patrons… not even the hot, sexually frustrated ones. But when a lush-looking reddish-blonde threatens to wreck his bar with her curse and her need, he decides it’s time to take matters — and her — into his own hands. After all, even if he can’t break the curse, he can certainly ease her frustration. And what powerful wizard doesn’t love a challenge?

The blurb from Hurricane:

Artist and witch Fiona Logan hasn’t had an orgasm since a bitter ex cursed her five years ago. Whenever she gets aroused, bad things happen. Now, she’s come to Last Call in hopes of gaining an audience with — and help from — its owner, a powerful wizard named Benito D’Cruze. If anyone can break the curse, it’s him. And if he won’t come downstairs to meet with her, she’ll bump and grind until his bar caves in from the backlash.

 

Hurricane: Contents under magical pressure. Experience required.

 

Ben doesn’t get involved with patrons… not even the hot, sexually frustrated ones. But when a lush looking blonde threatens to wreck his bar with her curse and her need, he decides it’s time to take matters — and her — into his own hands. After all, even if he can’t break the curse, he can certainly ease her frustration. And what powerful wizard doesn’t love a challenge?

Hmm. Like…really? Changing Fiona Logan to Flora Logger?! Not only is it lazy and wrong, it’s terrible theft. What a horrible name. It sounds like a medical condition.

This woman isn’t selling our work as her own for money, but she’s certainly doing it for feedback. On several sites, as people told her they loved the books and encouraged her to write more, she beamed and gushed and told them she would, as time permitted. I guess Search/Replace takes a while.

A screenshot paragraph from her literary offering:

Really, lady?

(It’s a screenshot because I couldn’t copy/paste the text she’d posted. Ironic, yes?)

The corresponding opener of Hurricane:

Fiona took one last look at the printed menu in her hand and grimaced at her friend. “I don’t need a drink. I need help.”

 

“Honey, this place is chock full of hot wizards.” Jenn snatched the menu out of Fiona’s hands and studied the back of it. “And this menu’s the key. We just have to decode it. Maybe they have a drink for ‘My castrated jackass of an ex cursed me to a life free of orgasms, contents under pressure.’ Like… oh shit, you can get in on a vampire/werewolf threesome? Hot.”

Wow, literal Search/Replace. What won’t people do?

Anyway, we emailed all the sites. Mark from Smashwords was particularly awesome, investigating immediately and removing the offender’s profile, citing their zero-tolerance policy for such things. Kudos to them.

But y’all should check this woman out. Late-night Twitter peeps have indicated that some of her other offerings look like they’ve been ripped off from Shiloh Walker and even Nora Roberts. (Let’s take a moment at that. La Nora? LA NORA? Is there a sane person on this planet who thinks cribbing her work is a good idea? WTF.)

So put out the word. Take a good look at this lady. This is the face of someone who thinks it’s okay to steal what others have written, put her own name on it, and take the credit.

This is a plagiarist.

 

UPDATE, 6/29 @ 6:21 pm

It seems that someone doesn’t like the takedown notices. In case anyone was wondering if this slimeball was suffering from a terminal case of stupid, the answer is yes and no.  Observe her comment to another user today on Booksie:

Oh no she didn't!!

 
 
( 28 comments — Leave a comment )
(Anonymous) on June 29th, 2011 11:54 pm (UTC)
I'm so sorry...
They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...but let's face it. Copying somebody else's hard work and calling it yours if flipping STEALING. It's horrific and the kind of thing beginning writers are always afraid will happen and experienced writers assure them will never happen.

Yeah, okay. Experienced writers were WRONG. It does happen. Unbelievable, sincerely. The only good thing I can find in this is that you and La Nora were robbed! Which must mean you have stuff worth stealing. Congrats on that. Like, uh, huh?? LOL Okay, yeah, no congrats. But that book is great...I have to admit I wish my name was on it. Hey, wait a second... Kidding.

Hang in there, ladies. You totally rock, and slimeball idiots are everywhere.
Moira Reid aka Deb
Moira Rogers[info]moirarogers on June 30th, 2011 01:29 am (UTC)
Re: I'm so sorry...
Thanks Deb. :) (Ha. We will always share names!)
Phoenix Blue: Bitch Please[info]phoenix_blue on June 30th, 2011 12:03 am (UTC)
She "used a series of books" as a guide? She's lucky all she got was a takedown notice ... dumbass.
Moira Rogers[info]moirarogers on June 30th, 2011 01:30 am (UTC)
Honestly, that's where I got mad. We sent takedowns. We had the book removed. She doesn't get to be irritated over that when she copy/pasted and search/replaced some names to begin with. Grawr!
From Mission Impossible To MissionInfreakingsanity[info]not_from_stars on June 30th, 2011 12:14 am (UTC)
First of all, I'm sorry that you're having to deal with something like this.

Second, finding out about this has pretty much guaranteed that my friends and I will be searching out your books.


Came here via a retweet on Twitter. I'm sorry that I didn't know about your books before but I am rectifying that. :)
Moira Rogers[info]moirarogers on June 30th, 2011 01:31 am (UTC)
Awww, thank you. This did get a bit more widespread than we realized it would, but it does take some audacity to copy Nora Roberts' books and pretend they're yours.
Mi-chan[info]mrjl_writer on June 30th, 2011 01:24 am (UTC)
Ugh, what a poor excuse. I've used other books as a guide, but the idea ends up diverting so much from said book it becomes its own story. I'll never trust anything she posts or produces ever again. Publishing is a small small world.

Glad to have found your blog though, on another note :) You were posted on Writer Beware's FB page.
Moira Rogers[info]moirarogers on June 30th, 2011 01:32 am (UTC)
Thanks so much! I honestly haven't used LJ in a while (the spam & ads were annoying me!) but the unexpected attention made our usual blog very angry. LOL

And yes, it stops becoming a guide when it's not even the idea you're using, it's the actual words. All of them. (Except character names.) She even used the same titles.
(Anonymous) on June 30th, 2011 05:24 am (UTC)
To everyone on here I have taken down all works that I have written that have similar titles
Dear Moira Rogers
I am sorry I will never ever do this again. I have taken down all of the works I have done and I will be doing my own from now on. So I apologize. I have even taken down my other works that I wrote that I did use as a guide for in my first series. I will never ever do this again. You are a great author and I hope you can forgive me.

Yours Truly
Angela Priest
Andrew Ashling[info]andrew_ashling on June 30th, 2011 02:20 am (UTC)
You just can't believe these people...

Have you reported this to [info]stop_plagiarism?

(Anonymous) on June 30th, 2011 05:29 am (UTC)
Sorry about this
Dear Moira
I am so sorry and I promise to never do this thing again. I took down all of the books in question and will never do it ever again. I hope you can accept my apology. Thanks for everything

Yours Truly
Angela Priest
Nate the Great: 2Hulks[info]major_dallas on June 30th, 2011 08:30 am (UTC)
Soffy if I'm out of line Ladies but...
...A guide? An almost word for word reprint of someone elses' work is not a guide, its wholesale theft and worse, JUST PLAIN LAZY! Look be honest with yourself, you are not a writer. I've come to know a few now, I've been around to hear how much work and suffering goes into their work and how its almost never perfect no matter if its finished or not and to see how you just took Bree and Donn's stuff and didn't even have the courtesy to at least edit more of the manuscript other than the names isn't just theft, ITS FREAKING LAZY! Go show your kids what you have done and use that as example of how NOT to behave on the internet or in real life... GIT!
tinhutlady: badthing[info]tinhutlady on June 30th, 2011 03:24 pm (UTC)
Re: Sorry about this
Unfortunately, how can anyone trust you now?
Moira Rogers[info]moirarogers on June 30th, 2011 03:47 pm (UTC)
Re: Sorry about this
Angela,

I really, really want to accept your apology. I don't want to make you pay for the rest of your days, and I'm not unwilling to acknowledge a sincere apology with forgiveness.

However, I checked at the various sites this morning, and you are still copying a lot of people's work.

http://www.scribd.com/angela_priest_2
http://www.bookrix.com/library.html?user=angelapriest
http://www.booksie.com/angelapriest

Beyond the books that you copied, you have packages of artwork up on Bookrix. Artists have rights, too. They worked hard on those images, and they have the right to decide who uses them. By putting them up with the disclaimer that you weren't liable if others used them, you made the artists even more angry, because you implied that you knew using them could be wrong.

A lot of people here are very angry with you. If you truly want to show them that you're willing to learn and want forgiveness, please take down all of the infringing work--including the artwork. Apologies to the artists you stole from would help, too.

I can forgive you for what you did to me, but I can't stop other people from being angry for what you did to them, nor would I try. You need to prove to them that you understand what you did by fixing the rest of this. Don't make the artists chase you down and have every piece forcibly removed.


Edited at 2011-06-30 03:48 pm (UTC)
(Anonymous) on July 4th, 2011 03:53 pm (UTC)
Re: Sorry about this
Looks like she took down the stuff from booksie and bookrix, but the goddess morgana stuff is still up on scribd. Who wrote that series, it sounded interesting?
Nicole
Moira Rogers[info]moirarogers on July 4th, 2011 04:04 pm (UTC)
Re: Sorry about this
According to a few sources... Nora Roberts.

I don't truly believe she took anything down. The things that have come down from various sites have been fairly specific--everything that's been reported by the copyright holders. Watching it unfold as I have, it has looked far more like things are being taken down when the sites demand it.

I could be wrong. But unless the Scribd stuff comes down, I'm going to assume she's not acting in good faith.

-Bree
(Anonymous) on July 5th, 2011 06:07 pm (UTC)
Re: Sorry about this
I clicked on some of the titles and it came up with a "sorry, not here" for most of them except the goddess ones. they were still up. I guess I need to check out Nora then. SHe's actually NOT on my author to read list.
Nicole
(Anonymous) on July 1st, 2011 03:17 am (UTC)
Re: Sorry about this
People might believe you if you actually acted as if you regret your actions. It's currently 9:52 p.m. CST. Right now, your Booksie account is still listing two books -- The Goddess Morgana, books 1 and 2 -- with artwork you lifted without authorization or permission from the artist. The art for Book 1 belongs to Linda Bergkvist (enayla on Deviant Art):

http://enayla.deviantart.com/gallery/#/dbzim

The art for Book 2 belongs to Louisa Gallie (phuriedae on Deviant Art):

http://phuriedae.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d26tmzk

These artists hold copyright to their art; you do not. While Ms. Bergkvist isn't specific about the restrictions regarding her artwork, Ms. Gallie is VERY clear about the restrictions on hers. Both have been informed about the unauthorized use of their art, and while I can't speak for Ms. Bergkvist, I can assure you Ms. Gallie will be issuing takedown notices, if she hasn't already done so.

I'm not sure what part of "DO NOT USE" you don't understand, but if you want your apology to be seen as something more than just a bunch of empty words, I suggest you not force these artists and authors to contact sites, quote TOS violations and copyright law and issue takedown notices to make you delete this stuff. Do something right and ethical in this debacle and remove the material yourself.

Grace Draven - author of MASTER OF CROWS and exclusive, licensed user of the illustration Beyond Neith by Louisa Gallie (phuriedae).

xakara: DEL[info]xakara on June 30th, 2011 06:20 am (UTC)
I said it on Shiloh Walker's blog and I'll say it again, I just can't wrap my head around this.

I'm so sorry all of you are going through this and I hope the emails and other measures take care of it quickly so you can get back to writing without this to distract you.

Hugs,

~Xakara



Edited at 2011-06-30 06:21 am (UTC)
(Anonymous) on June 30th, 2011 06:26 am (UTC)
My guess is this woman either isn't as old as she seems, or she's maturity-challenged.

For starters, she's all about the Twilight books, which is an immediate red flag. While I have known many people to love them, most mature or writer-oriented folk I know are more than a wee bit ashamed of the fact (yes, me included). She has it broadcast across several sites how enamored she is of them.

This alone is just a quirk, however. The stealing of high quality works for praise and the way she uses language screams that she's an insecure teen. I frequent a cartoon making site that caters to all ages but is especially popular with teens and preteens, and this woman's online presence is EXACT to the way these kids think, talk, and act--and I literally mean right down to her informal word usage.

This IS infuriating, but as someone else said, when the anger passes and this person fades from view, you should feel proud your works were so beloved to her that she felt she had to share them with everyone--even if it was in such a back-@ssward way. Good on you.

And Angela--since you seem to be keeping track of this thread--no one really believes you're sorry. I'm sorry, but we don't. I don't know anyone who didn't learn with their first grade school report that stealing the works of other people verbatim was wrong. It may, in fact, be the most cautioned against crime in school, next to warnings against cheating. So there is no way you didn't know this was wrong going in.

If you are sorry--GENUINELY SORRY--you should do more than offer excuses to your fans and a half-hearted "sorry I got caught" apology here. You should contact the authors you stole from personally, coming clean EVEN IF YOU WEREN'T CALLED OUT ON OTHER PLAGIARIZED WORKS. This should be done because it's the RIGHT thing to do, not because someone trapped you into it. You should publicly admit what you did and apologize to your fans, all of whom you disrespected and lied to. And you should take everything down you stole. Consider it a life lesson in honor, honesty, and responsibility.

Then, you should go get therapy, because hon, if you aren't a teenager, something is WRONG in your life. No one should need attention so badly that they'll steal to get it. That's generally what's considered "a warning sign." I'm not being snarky, or cruel, I'm being sincere--if you have a wonderful guy and two kids and truly feel fulfilled, you wouldn't need to do something like this. It's only when something is off kilter that people behave this badly.

I'm going to be boosting the signal on this post. With luck, this'll be the last time you run into this, Moira. Best of luck. :)
Recycledfaery: We are earthquakes we are[info]recycledfaery on June 30th, 2011 06:47 am (UTC)
*GASPS*
*loudly*
Seriously?
I am totally outraged!
Do people actually do that? I thought it was just an urban legend.
*feels really ignorant*
I'm in shock. This would put any author in SHOCK.
You guys write so very well.
I LOVE your work.
sunlitshadow[info]sunlitshadow on June 30th, 2011 12:37 pm (UTC)
The really unfortunate part is that plagiarists never seem to learn their lesson when they get busted. Sure, it looks like she's removing all her profiles - I just tried to find her on Booksie and the profile appears to be gone - but I can almost guarantee, she'll be back under another assumed name and doing the same thing to some other unsuspecting author soon enough.

Just goes to show how much we love you ladies that everyone's up in arms that this happened to you. So take that as a positive of this whole situation. :)
tinhutlady: badthing[info]tinhutlady on June 30th, 2011 01:55 pm (UTC)
(low whistle of dismay)
So it's okay for her to use your work (stories you spent time on, agonized over, sweated out, edited to death, and finally released when you thought they were good enough) and change a few words and sell it as her own? Really? And, when caught, apologize and hope for understanding and a new audience when she offers up something of her own?

She is not a real writer. She can't be. She has no idea what real writers go through. If she has ever written anything of her own, she would know how horribly she acted. She has ruined her reputation through thievery.

I will definitely watch out for her name and avoid it like the Plague.
(Anonymous) on July 1st, 2011 06:25 pm (UTC)
WOW!
This sickens me to no end. I hope this is a case of her being terminally stupid!
P. N. Elrod: chocolate[info]p_n_elrod on July 1st, 2011 06:39 pm (UTC)
I should not be surprised, but am.

It's about a few posts I've seen on the Net expressing that when writers and artists finally get over being mad that they might feel a bit "flattered" that their work was good enough to steal.

Am I going to be flattered that a THIEF loves my car so much that he steals it? No, I want his arse in jail.

I'm never going feel flattered when a thief victimizes me. Never.

I doubt Ms. Priest is going to enjoy her 15 minutes in the spotlight from here on out.
(Anonymous) on July 1st, 2011 07:10 pm (UTC)
WTF????
For real??? What a scum-bag! And she wants you to be her friend and promises not to do it again??? Yeah... right. Shouldn't have done it in the first place you lazy ass!! Write your own freaking original material!!! What a complete LOSER.
(Anonymous) on July 1st, 2011 08:06 pm (UTC)
What was she thinking?
It is one thing to write a story as a fan, in the "universe" of someone else's work, and present it as a fan story (as long as the only things that are from that "universe" are characters or places or the rules of that world). It is an entirely different story to steal a story, word for word and call it your own. I have written stories in the worlds of Star Trek and Dr Who as a fan, but I have never tried to out and out steal a story from those series and than try to pass it off as mine by changing a few names of people and places. Who does Angela Priest think she's fooling?
Fobok[info]fobok on July 5th, 2011 09:06 pm (UTC)
I just saw this on the Writer's Beware Facebook page, and had to come over and comment. I agree with others here that it's hard to actually believe someone would even do this, that someone would be so lazy as to try this and so stupid to think they'd get away with it.

Makes me wonder, though, how many more thieves we'll see doing stuff like this with e-publishing as easy as it is.
( 28 comments — Leave a comment )